3. it is quite dangerous out there as thousands and thousands of spacial objects hit on the surface. Instead rock will be dug out, the ore poor rock will be discarded back on the moon as slag (no mass loss), and the ore will be processed (slight mass loss). The Moon tilts only slightly toward the Sun, so the solar wind flows fairly evenly over its poles. The idea of a human colony on Titan, a moon of Saturn, might sound crazy. Reality is truly more interesting than anything we can imagine. Whether lunar dust makes its way into the eye via airborne movement (again, much more of a concern in microgravity) or through direct contact from fingers or another dust-coated object, the result is the same: danger of abrasion. Dust from asteroids over regolith moons to Mars is largely impact created and radiation processed, and share the properties of being physically and chemically aggressive. Ignoring the frightening dangers, and assuming we currently have the technology to do so, let’s find out what it would be like! Living in this type of environment impacts the body in three important ways: loss of proprioception, changes in fluid distribution, and deterioration of the musculoskeletal system. The first in a series of six articles announcing the supposed discovery of life on the moon appears in the New York Sun newspaper. With the ‘backpack’ functioning as a docking port and airlock, an astronaut may simply open a door on the wall and enter their suit. Therefore it’s harmful via chemical or poisonous means, and is therefore toxic. Why should I make “an actual comment of [my] own”? 3c) Now we can also predict future observations or discoveries that flows from our Theory. Great. Observation: I find my wife in bed with the man, 2. I have no references against Wikipedia. 1. It’s about inflammation and infections resulting from cuts. Despite NASA’s successful Apollo landings, humans have spent very little time on the moon. I assumed people would understand that the mud porch would be inside a pressurised airlock. Hugs to Ceres to prove me wrong on this. 3. Mechanical damage induces a cellular response, which ends up triggering a cancer. An astronaut’s circadian rhythm is going to be quite baffled. The very notion is stupid. If you tell me that water is wet, then I would have to respond: “So what?”. On Earth, sleep deprivation makes us fuzzy, but on the moon it is plain dangerous. “The Apollo astronauts reported undesirable effects affecting the skin, eyes and airways that could be related to exposure to the dust that had adhered to their space suits during their extravehicular activities and was subsequently brought into their spacecraft.”, – Dag Linnarsson, lead author, Toxicity of Lunar Dust, Top image: Apollo 16 astronaut Charlie Duke with a dust-coated LRV. If you are of the opinion that you can learn nothing, then you are probably a lost cause. A recent study even suggests that prolonged exposure could lead to more serious effects, like bronchitis or cancer. “Facts have a well-known liberal bias.”. Tourists may also be interested in a short visit. And, like the other gaseous planets, you technically could not live on Saturn, simply because it has no solid surfaces. The moon’s tidal force has a much greater effect on the surface of the ocean, of course. I am happy with this.”. They do two things: directly interfere with oxygen absorption, and 2) cut up the surrounding tissue every time they are jostled. [Sign up to get reminders for space and astronomy events on your calendar.]. Now that's a Moon I'd have no problem living on. Mostly though, the new suit technology means the suits are mounted external to the habitats and ingress is direct through a suit lock on the back. Ah, the most important and perplexing question facing long-duration human presence in space! could “interfere with biological processes” — i.e., the likely presence This is very much NOT a toxic substance, by the facts presented in this article. Also, observations NEVER EVER WILL CONFIRM a fact. Lunar regolith is physically and chemically different from sand, soil and dust on Earth. I’m sure there will be ideas and even hopeful there will be long term solutions. Note to self: Always wear a spacesuit when walking on the Lunar surface…. “Since 2010, NASA has been testing out the effects of what living in space can do to the human body, to prepare them for the journey to Mars, and also for living there” 9. I know it’s tempting to go for attention-grabbing tabloid-like headlines, but it’s a tad insulting to this site’s audience who are usually intelligent enough to see through it (as evidenced by every single slightly controversial heading being called out in the comments… which is often tedious and predictable, but also necessary feedback in my opinion). Also, I never said you were confused about theories and hypotheses. It now has all the funding it needs to send a robotic spacecraft to the moon in 2017. If we observe things like that, then our theory’s predictive capability has been proven. 'The Moon has been up there as long as evolution has been taking place, and lunar rhythms are embedded in the life cycles of many organisms,' Tom says. Another solution seems only natural: building living quarters underground. toxicity reactions. Some risk has to be accepted. LC. Once within a pressurized environment, further cleaning using ultrasonics and air flow(s) might be the ‘ticket’? As you can see, your short example has led to a good case study in how science works, and should serve to show you that you are utterly ignorant of the subject matter you deem yourself capable of debating with me. NASA certainly tries to achieve high levels of safety and there’s nothing wrong with that. — Because lunar dust behaves slightly different than the dust on Earth. Going to the Moon Was Hard — But the Benefits Were Huge, for All of Us Come prepared for whichever season you choose to visit. Rather, laws describe reality as best as the theory from which they came can describe it. I said you have previously held beliefs “, in which facts have value, and theories do not have value, because you deem theories to be unproven, while somehow facts are proven and therefore you think – completely incorrectly – that facts have value.”. So, according to you, if you find your wife in bed with another man, it will “NEVER EVER WILL CONFIRM a fact” that she’s having an affair, eh? This is the cause of the infamous “dark side of the Moon!” Because of this, you would always see Earth in roughly the same spot in your sky. A recent study suggests that our lunar neighbor is tectonically active, with moonquakes as large as 5.5-magnitude earthquakes. in poison would be worse than a round smooth rock coated in poison. “It has a very undulating surface, like sea swells.”. Jupiter is a planet, so the rubble between Mars and Jupiter is called …. This will be a set of observations, laws, models, and explanations for the same, along with predictions of what might happen or be observed in certain situations. Ouch, eh? The Moon affects life on Earth in three main ways Needless to say, if particles can pose abrasive damage to human skin, similar danger to the eyes is also a concern. Laws. The Moon is a more convenient place to develop and test mitigation technologies if necessary. I didn’t really mean that the moon should be avoided completely, more that its usefulness looking ahead may be limited. And yet, in total, Mr. Schmitt spent just 22 hours on the surface. If it’s true that moon dust interferes with oxygen absorption, then lunar dust is toxic. In your scenario: 1. Researchers have revealed that lunar dust is far more dangerous than previously thought. 4. it is so cold out there we will be freezed in asecond if we expose ourselves. r/EliteDangerous: The official unofficial subreddit for Elite Dangerous, we even have devs lurking the sub! Raw video from the NASA archive shows gravity winning again.Astronauts throwing stuff on the moon.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkXETqJgpBQ& Tardigrades, which live on every continent on Earth, are also (maybe) living on the moon, following the crash of a lunar lander carrying thousands of the microscopic water bears. After all, you're not orbiting the sun anymore; you're orbiting a much closer object that has a much larger impact on the physical conditions of your world. 2. Like pollutants encountered on Earth, such as asbestos and volcanic ash,”. But its lack of an atmosphere adds to or exa… I think you missed several comments on cleaning. One possible way to avoid the dust problem is to setup shop where there is little or no dust. No-one can’t say I haven’t tried. Your bones would lose calcium. The main “toxicity” issue with lunar dust comes from the fact that the sharp particles of dust are so small that they can imbed themselves deep, in your lungs, where your body can’t remove them. The order of things that science takes note of, are, from lowest to highest: Watch more: Does It Rain Diamonds On Saturn? This work is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 International License. As space agencies and private companies look toward a future of people living on the moon and Mars, we have to contend with an unpleasant reality: the radiation out there is lethal. Some people talk about the Dark Side of the moon as if it is a specific place, but this isn't correct. You put zero effort into your grand response. Still, the research is a step in the right direction as it looks to ensure a safe environment for future explorers on the Moon, our familiar — yet still alien — satellite world. 4. This can be isolated. And that makes it toxic — so much so that Harrison Schmitt complained of “lunar dust hay fever” after his journey on Apollo 17. First mining on the moon probably won't involve strip mining and hauling all of the material away. Tardigrades, which live on every continent on Earth, are also (maybe) living on the moon, following the crash of a lunar lander carrying thousands of the microscopic water bears. True to form, a few years from now, a report will state that a little bit of moon dust everyday will help keep one healthy. PS: Don’t get a job as a professional dismantler of some sort. Similar lights have already been installed on the space station, where individual sleeping compartments can be darkened to simulate night. 'The challenge is working out when the Moon truly is a factor and what is merely myth and legend.' Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. These laws are only artefacts of theories, and do not control reality. This is really scary. If we are going to have space probes on the moon, should they be on the light or dark side of the moon? To enter, just open the door, jump inside your suit, close, detach, and walk. In total, 12 Apollo astronauts lived on the lunar surface for roughly 10 days, and traveled outside their lander for only 80 hours. Lets just hope the “recycled” water is only used for cleaning. Hypothesis. The results confirmed that any astronauts beyond Earth’s protective atmosphere and magnetic field would receive a hefty dose of radiation — one that is more than 200 times higher than levels on Earth. See what it living on the moon would be like in this Space.com infographic. Asbestos fibers set up a range of immune and cell-tissue responses. Even the finer particles of dust — which constitute about 20% of returned lunar soil samples — are rather sharp, and as such pose a risk of skin irritation in instances of exposure. – Even if we would only want to go to NEOs or Mars, we will have the same problem in spades. Because there is no air on the moon, dust never erodes. But it wouldn’t avoid the dust problem completely, would it? . With such a short sojourn, they caught merely a glimpse of the risks associated with survival there. Etc. Since 1972, the only visitors have been robots, orbiters and probes. We can detox radioactive and chemical pollutants, how hard would it be prepare a detox protocol for a lunar habitat. 6. That should reduce contamination from outside. Or it does, just not enough? Examples include coal dust and asbestos fibers, both of which can ultimately be fatal if inhaled. Any lunar space suit will need periodic maintenance. It would still be a theory.). The habitat would also need to be equipped with lights to help counter the effects of sleep deprivation. Reply #2: Not to mention that cancer is potensial a side-effect of asbestos, and as I’ve already said, the cancer from asbestos is not the thing that makes asbestos toxic. Because the moon lacks an atmosphere, the strikes are hard and fast, posing a serious hazard for future astronauts. of large numbers of free radicals and excess electron sites on the surface of dust grains. Corrections: An earlier version of this post said the moon was 1,000 miles wide. A trip will be possible only if scientists find ways to mitigate these challenges. (according to the original article) that could actually make it more Experience from ‘debates’ with AGW deniers, in the Universe Today comments, has taught me that the likes of you are only trolling for a reaction! In addition, a dose of long-term radiation affects your cognitive abilities — resulting in dementia, memory deficits, anxiety, depression and impaired decision-making. Living in this type of environment impacts the body in three important ways: loss of proprioception, changes in fluid distribution, and deterioration of the musculoskeletal system. I wonder. But facts are just reality. Water runoff filtered and reused, of course. cancer. And although a lunar habitat may never provide the protective bubble we take for granted on Earth, there may be a variety of options for safer lunar living. A small, fast-moving meteoroid had slammed into the moon. The prospect of humans staying on the moon for longer stretches has grown, with the Trump administration pledging an American return there by 2024, and China planning its first crewed trip to the lunar surface the following decade. I look forward to the Daily Mail article. Here are the most serious risks. 1. That will require work by scientists to further assess the challenges. Well, since I completely dismantled every argument you made, my work here is done. They cause severe interference with the smallscale biological functions of lungs (rather than merely blocking airflow as larger, “non-toxic” dust might), and are thus toxic. They’re true. From the Moon we can send missions into deep space and ferry colonists to Mars. Invariably when we write about living on Mars, some ask why not go to the Moon instead? By far the most harmful effects of lunar dust would come from inhalation of the particulates. The first thing they noticed about the dust was that it went airborne right away, and that it smelled like gunpowder. Comprehension is not a strong point of yours. For reference: Lunar soil particles are sometimes even coated in a glassy shell, the result of rock vaporization by meteorite impacts. Asbestos directly makes you sick: http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/csem/csem.asp?csem=4&po=10. Join us at patreon.com/universetoday. But as our nights grow increasingly bright, its … Having a scratched cornea is no fun, but if you’re busy working on the Moon at the time it could turn into a real emergency. Extreme cold in the winter and extreme heat in the summer are the rule at Craters of the Moon. Repeatable observations. It even smelled like gunpowder inside the lander. Rather, it is a frigid world full of surprise and treachery. As our closest neighbor in space, a time-capsule of planetary evolution and the only world outside of Earth that humans have stepped foot on, the Moon is an obvious and ever-present location for future exploration by humans. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicosis Instead, the institute’s computer model shows its low-mass electrons easily flowing over the jagged edges of the craters and into their bottoms, creating a negatively charged cloud. Why so rude? Yeah man, everything is toxic in excessive amount so only take a spoonful of moon at a time. I placed facts on the lowest end on a scale of importance, because facts have no intrinsic value. We need to understand and explain reality, however, and for that we need to progress far beyond mere facts, and to the ultimate goal: a Theory. Asbestos is poisonous, and therefore toxic. These technologies, so crucial on the Moon and Mars, might help on Earth, too, by protecting people from sharp-edged or toxic dust on our own planet. I actually stumbled on an interesting technology in this context. Side image: a dusty Gene Cernan in the LM at the end of an Apollo 17 EVA. Lunar meteorites have no more radioactivity than terrestrial rocks. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001177/. You come in the airlock, pressurise, blast the nooks and cranies with an air jet, then hose everything down. 7. Theories, such as the Theory of Relativity, are at the highest level of importance. Facts are unremarkable. Is Mars the same? The simplest system would be a simple vacuum cleaner consisting of nothing more than a hose with a valve connected to the near perfect vacuum outside the habitat. The biological response to physical damage from particulates can be complicated. Also, your logic is semi-crazy. Hence we can expect a lot more, and coherent, research here. When the Apollo astronauts walked on the moon, the dust clung to their spacesuits, scratched their visors and made their eyes water and their throats sore. Facts, in the scientific method, are the least important things of all. One of the first men to orbit the Moon has told BBC Radio 5 Live that it's "stupid" to plan human missions to Mars. The Mars Society , founded in 1998 to advocate for exploring and setting up a human presence on Mars, has its own "Mars Direct" plan. So when I say facts are unimportant, it’s because they are. That’s it. This just in “Moon dust found to be hazardous to friendly conversation”. Although the moon is a library of impact events, the flash was a reminder that collisions still occur today. Sloppy writing on my part. Externally mounted excursion suits attached to a rover OR excursion suites attached to a habitat will still need to be brought inside for inspection and/or repair. Moon Express has raised a new $20 million round in venture capital. This seems to be a generic problem outside of Earth, which general physical and chemical dust properties we have evolved to handle. There has to be a chemical or poisonous effect to make it toxic. But as it does so, the wind does not flow evenly into the bottoms of the deep craters at the poles. You really needed The Dramatic Chipmunk. Let’s not forget that a toxic substance is harmful due to either chemical or poisonous means. Future space suits may remain outside and seldom enter a crewed habitat. Experiments. . But you’re still sick, whether or not you immediately see the symptoms. Let’s put the rest of that quote in here, Mr Cherry Picker: Are you now going to find some other word in the Wikipedia copy-and-paste which you imagine to invalidate my point? Facts are not irrelevant. It’s important to note here that repeated observations, which should be held under strict conditions, but also different sorts of conditions, will all yeild the exact same fact. Just what that lunar habitat will look like remains a tough question, in part because radiation can penetrate most materials now used in space construction. We are still testing aspects of the Theory of General Relativity, although many aspects of it has been verified in different ways, in different experiments, and by different groups of people. Shake the rest off in a low pressure ante chamber with ultra sound while standing in a stream of air. Now: do you actually understand what you’ve pasted there? He made no actual comment of his own. Eye Damage. “Facts are unimportant in science, because they have no intrinsic value.” And the award for the most ridiculous statement of this thread goes to… Don’t worry though, we know what meant. If we get back to the lunar surface, astronauts will have to contend with much more than perilous rocket flights and the vacuum of space. It can change in multiple ways, such as divorce, or counselling, or a separation period, or something like that. 5. | Sign up for the weekly Science Times email.]. 1. Turns out that simply using ultrasonics snaps carbon nanotubes down in size, despite such nanotubes being ~ 100 times stronger than steel at that size. Potentially dangerous small space rocks are smashing into the Moon a lot more often than was expected, according to an ongoing NASA study. Lol. 3b) We could do more observations, and watch my wife closely. Rick Holcomb mentioned that above, and it’s a superb idea. You would also be able to see Earth go through phases, just like you saw the Moon do from Earth! So the lesson is to always have a shower before entering the living quarters. Only because repair is easier inside if possible, a property that they share with other equipment. Of particular note by the research team is abrasive damage to the outer layer of skin at sites of “anatomical prominence”, i.e., fingers, knuckles, elbows, knees, etc. The first thing they noticed about the dust was that it went airborne right away, and that it smelled like gunpowder. That way, the suit can remain outside without contaminating the habitat. Mars has silica and iron oxide. Elite Dangerous is a space simulator … Press J to jump to the feed. Within their research the team, which included physiologists, pharmacologists, radiologists and toxicologists from 5 countries, investigated some of the following potential health hazards of lunar dust: Inhalation. When the Apollo astronauts walked on the moon, the dust clung to their spacesuits, scratched their visors and made their eyes water and their throats sore. Facts are unimportant in science, because they have no intrinsic value. toxic — individual dust grains have fractally complex sharp surfaces The mudporch would be nothing more than a grated metal platform, through which any loosened dust would fall to the surface below (and it would fall through the vacuum like a rock, not linger in the air like dust on Earth). You seem to have too many references against Wikipedia in your comments. Good point. Without the theory, as outlined above, the fact is really of low importance. Enceladus, icy geyser moon of Saturn. That includes the possibility of Mining on the moon would remove some mass, but I don't think you'd notice. When humans return to the Moon in the next decade, they'll be facing a dangerous combination of cosmic rays and solar flares. Simply tangling with equal sized chromosomes is one hypothesis. It’s much closer and has a generous selection of minerals. There is no way that the abrasive qualities of moon dust is toxic. Our body clocks are wound by light exposure, as day sweeps to night once every 24 hours. If you think my statement is ridiculous, it’s because you have previously held beliefs, in which facts have value, and theories do not have value, because you deem theories to be unproven, while somehow facts are proven and therefore you think – completely incorrectly – that facts have value. Gotta agree with the implication here. 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